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Post by Zact on Mar 1, 2004 23:50:46 GMT
Well, you really have to think about the time period for amount of casualties. The main ground fighting of the war really was only about 5 days-1 week. Now the US and friends is peacekeeping mission. And some people (terrorists) have tried to get the US out before the capatilist rule can set in. These are people coming in from other nations who also hate Americans. And they most likely have the same set of views as Osama (US on arab soil is a holy injustice). But what the US is actually providing a structure for Iraq. What the troops have done is good, though it may not appear so now. Think about it, in England, terrorists make them package bombs to try and defy england, but does that make the England military want to leave? nope.
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Post by LazyBoy on Mar 2, 2004 0:01:54 GMT
Think about it, in England, terrorists make them package bombs to try and defy england, but does that make the England military want to leave? nope. please explain doesn't make sense. Ok so in the main fighting the killing was more concentrated, but that still doesn't make it ok for more people to die after the conflict, if the war is over, there should be no more death. They are providing a structure for Iraq, but still they aren't ready for it. Economically, they're going to get screwed, because the market system that will be employed under capitalism is too advanced for the country. |
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Post by sayboy on Mar 2, 2004 0:43:13 GMT
I am so bored of his speech
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Post by LazyBoy on Mar 2, 2004 0:44:29 GMT
don't read it then?
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Post by Zact on Mar 2, 2004 0:52:47 GMT
well think about it, if a few deaths from attacks happened in the US, would the soldiers all up and leave? no. So why would they leave Iraq with a half done job/ (granted Iraq is not their home country, and alot of soldiers want to leave iraq...but you get what I'm trying to say)
What I'm trying to say: Just because a few casulties happen, doesn't mean the US is going to pull out, Iraq is going to be a good ally to have in 20 years if saudi arabia kicks us out of there.
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Post by Rage of Thor on Mar 2, 2004 0:54:46 GMT
Dude, there isn't some law of physics that prevents soldiers from dying when a war is over. People die every day, so get over it. Like I said before, if you care only about the WMDs, then you have missed the rest of Saddam's evil entirely. If you think the Iraqis will thank you so much, why don't you put him back in power yourself? Whiny baby........
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Post by LazyBoy on Mar 2, 2004 0:55:04 GMT
iraq will be a good ally because the west can exploit them for their oil. i'm not saying they should leave, i'm just saying they should sort it out, since the aim was to "liberalise" iraq, and at the moment it doesn't look like its ever gonna be sorted out, it'll just fade into the background like afghanistan has.
thats true thor, but when they die of grenade attacks and suicide bombs that should have been stopped at the end of the war its slightly different. "People die every day" - good job some1 is on the ball...
Besides, he killed a few people, people die, get over it....
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Post by Rage of Thor on Mar 2, 2004 0:59:30 GMT
Very impatient, aren't you. The only reason you don't hear from Afghanistan anymore is that the civilian government has already taken over, and the country was already so freaking empty that there aren't many terrorists to fight it. Iraq has hundreds of times the population, and is a far more delicate country with many issues. Only a fool wouldn't be able to see that it will take longer in Iraq.
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Post by Zact on Mar 2, 2004 1:03:17 GMT
he not only killed a few 100 people, he also wrongfully imprisoned thousands. It's not like when the US broke away from England they had the government they have right now, it took MANY years for it to happen. And what was to stop some other nation to come and take us over? Or to stop terrorists to come and wage war on us? the technology and ability to transport. In Iraq, they currently have no police force because the only police force they had was Sadams loyalists, and who wants people who worshipped sadam's men running the country? So, I'm willing to bet within 2 years, Iraq will be as stable as a capatilist nation in the middle east can be. It has a lot of work to go through, but it is going to be fine.
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Post by Rage of Thor on Mar 2, 2004 1:05:21 GMT
Once again, Amen to that, dude.  |
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Post by LazyBoy on Mar 2, 2004 1:06:06 GMT
strange how an "empty" country could kill so many soldiers..
A very interesting program was on british tv a while ago, appropriately named "heres one we invaded earlier", about afghanistan. It was in complete disarray, so obviously the civil government is working its stuff..
Iraq will still be like this in 5/6 years time, maybe even longer. yeah it will take longer, but in the mean time the citizens are worse off than they were before the invasion.
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Post by Renegade on Mar 2, 2004 1:06:30 GMT
And what was to stop some other nation to come and take us over? You mean.... like how the US invaded Iraq? Disregarding the rights and wrongs of the war itself for a moment, it is unarguable that the US has now taken control of Iraq - all the rebuilding work is being contracted (at HUGE expense) to US companies. |
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Post by LazyBoy on Mar 2, 2004 1:09:14 GMT
And what was to stop some other nation to come and take us over? yeah like the people who moved took over the natives of america |
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Post by Zact on Mar 2, 2004 1:11:45 GMT
no, not all the work is being contracted to US companies, I believe I heard on National Public Radio one time that 76 Billion dollars of the re-building is being auctioned off to our allys that helped fight. But think about it...How would Iraq be able to rebuild itself without any construction companies? I'm willing to bet that the next big bussinesses in Iraq will be in construction. And as soon as Sadams dets are payed off (nuclear reactor, other things) the country will begin making money off their oil supplies
Yeah, the US took native americans lands, but I wasn't alive back then, and I don't really care about it because I live in the prime state where the Native Americans rebeled (minnesota). And yeah, there really wasn't the biggest of provokings over the US and Iraq, but we are not calling Iraq a part of our country like England would of if they won the revolutionary war.
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Post by LazyBoy on Mar 2, 2004 1:13:52 GMT
i doubt it, the americans will take it off them for well below the market price. Besides, relying on oil doesn't promote development, it just means 4 or 5 tycoons wil get rich while the rest of the country suffers
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